The internet makes every form of loony extremism possible. Now there’s an “I [Heart] Gitmo” web site. Ugh.
Hat Tip to Andrew Sullivan.
The internet makes every form of loony extremism possible. Now there’s an “I [Heart] Gitmo” web site. Ugh.
Hat Tip to Andrew Sullivan.
Move America Forward has been pushing that sort of nonsensical zealously ever since Kaloogian lost the CAGOP nomination to run against Senator Boxer.
Kaloogian was instrumental in getting the Recall Gray Davis initiative on the ballot and calling the election, at least from the angry “I’m a conservative in San Francisco HELP ME!” side of the issue. So, of course, he will do what it takes to get attention and visibility in the crepuscular of his short lived career in the spotlight.
Melanie Morgan is no different. I’m sad to say that she’s a Bay Area homegrown gadfly operating out of her seat on the KSFO (local conservative talk station) morning show. Again, attention however possible. From what I can tell (out of masochistic curiosity I am on their e-mail list) MAF is a small lot of discontented Californians who seek to raise dust in whatever aspect of public affairs they can.
Their furthermore disgusting lust for taking the most adversarial, anti-liberty stance in any issue, as well as their unwavering support of President Bush, leaves them not only as a fringe element in the state, but also as a fringe element within the small, (misguided) and vocal conservative movement in California.
IT’S A JOKE.
I’m sure all the haters were also protesting the “KILLBUSH” T-Shirts and mugs.
They seem pretty serious, though. I read their press release.
I don’t understand the comment above. Who are the “haters”? I don’t like “KILLBUSH” or “KILLKERRY” T-shirts. I don’t like what’s being done in my name at Gitmo. Is there a contradiction? What’s the point of the comment?
The point: HYPOCRISY
And maybe you should check out what is being done in your name in any of our fine state prisons.
The fact you are worried about T-shirts shows how serious you are about any XYZ issue…
The point: HYPOCRISY
And maybe you should check out what is being done in your name in any of our fine state prisons.
The fact you are worried about T-shirts shows how serious you are about any XYZ issue…
I don’t think the Torture Party is joking.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159717,00.html
I don’t quite follow the point about hypocrisy. The state of domestic prisons is terrible and inmates are often subjected to quite terrible treatment, but that doesn’t justify terrible treatment at Gitmo.
I don’t believe that the same treatment that applies to criminals apprehended on the street should apply to prisoners captured on the field of battle, but a fair number of the Gitmo detainees were evidently just poor schmucks who were grabbed and sold by bounty hunters to the Pakistani police to turn over to the Americans. Furthermore, detaining is one thing, interrogation — even under stress, although knowing where to draw the line is not obvious — is one thing, but abusing and tormenting and torturing…that’s another and hardly the occasion for t-shirts mocking the abuse that took place.
T-shirts are in and of themselves insignificant; the glorification of mistreatment is not.
what torturing went on at Gitmo? I think sometimes you are mixing it up with Abu Garib. They are two different places you know.
Certainly it might have gone as far as borderline abuse. But it’s this hyserical over-reaction to a nonexistant “torture” that the t-shirts mock. I wouldn’t wear a t-shirt that mocks abuse, but I will mock those who claim torture when clearly there is not torture, especially those who are cynically doing so purely for greater political power (mostly because I know such liars are actually hurting the cause of stopping real torture which is actually happening in places).
IF you want to curb ABSUSE at Gitmo, go for it. But don’t think everyone will sit on our hands while you distort the issue with claims of “torture” without any shred of evidence. That’s the heart of this issue…and you know it.
The commentator immediately above has a good point. I should have left the word “torture” entirely out of a discussion of Gitmo and reserved it for some of the cases at Abu Ghraib and Bagram, where there is clear evidence of non-systematic abuse that should be characterized as torture. And for that people have been punished by the military justice system. But the FBI report on Gitmo indicates something more than borderline abuse in at least some cases and that is nothing to glorify with a “Club Gitmo” joke or a “I Love Gitmo” t-shirt.