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		<title>By: Name withheld</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7165</link>
		<dc:creator>Name withheld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 19:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author of most of the offending passages in the RP newsletters was most certainly NOT Lew Rockwell. In fact it is quite likely that those accusing Rockwell know this as well as Rockwell does. The dirty secret is that the author was someone whom neither side wants identified, as he was closely associated with both. Except for a bias of their own, the people at TNR could have easily figured this out on their own, or perhaps they did and are just as eager to have the real author remain unnamed as the libertarians are.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author of most of the offending passages in the RP newsletters was most certainly NOT Lew Rockwell. In fact it is quite likely that those accusing Rockwell know this as well as Rockwell does. The dirty secret is that the author was someone whom neither side wants identified, as he was closely associated with both. Except for a bias of their own, the people at TNR could have easily figured this out on their own, or perhaps they did and are just as eager to have the real author remain unnamed as the libertarians are.</p>
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		<title>By: A is A</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7164</link>
		<dc:creator>A is A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 13:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phoobaar: Own up then, and put your (real) name as a LvMI supporter. That&#039;s your right, same as others who wish to not have their names affiliated.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phoobaar: Own up then, and put your (real) name as a LvMI supporter. That&#8217;s your right, same as others who wish to not have their names affiliated.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles N. Steele</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7163</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles N. Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, phoobaar, the efforts of LvMI in putting Austrian classics in pdf for download is valuable.  So what more need be said?  How about...

The efforts of the LvMI to misrepresent good economists such as Coase and Hayek are contemptible.  The incompetent attacks by the LvMI on neoclassical economics are an embarassment to the Austrian school.  The version of libertarianism endorsed by the LvMI that supports C.S.A. and the like is bizarre and cranky.  The willingness of the LvMI to make common cause with anti-libertarian racists and such is disgusting.

The sum of all that is that they discredit Austrian economics, and make it more difficult for those of us who try to promote the ideas of Mises, Hayek, Kirzner, etc.  They discredit libertarianism, and make it more difficult for those of us who work to promote a freer world.

I certainly agree that you, and everyone else, should judge for themselves, on the basis of evidence.  There&#039;s ample evidence that LvMI does great harm to two important (and quite distinct) sets of ideas: Austrian Economics, and libertarianism.

Finally, what&#039;s your point about owning a copy of the Declaration of Independence?  You are making no sense that I can see.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, phoobaar, the efforts of LvMI in putting Austrian classics in pdf for download is valuable.  So what more need be said?  How about&#8230;</p>
<p>The efforts of the LvMI to misrepresent good economists such as Coase and Hayek are contemptible.  The incompetent attacks by the LvMI on neoclassical economics are an embarassment to the Austrian school.  The version of libertarianism endorsed by the LvMI that supports C.S.A. and the like is bizarre and cranky.  The willingness of the LvMI to make common cause with anti-libertarian racists and such is disgusting.</p>
<p>The sum of all that is that they discredit Austrian economics, and make it more difficult for those of us who try to promote the ideas of Mises, Hayek, Kirzner, etc.  They discredit libertarianism, and make it more difficult for those of us who work to promote a freer world.</p>
<p>I certainly agree that you, and everyone else, should judge for themselves, on the basis of evidence.  There&#8217;s ample evidence that LvMI does great harm to two important (and quite distinct) sets of ideas: Austrian Economics, and libertarianism.</p>
<p>Finally, what&#8217;s your point about owning a copy of the Declaration of Independence?  You are making no sense that I can see.</p>
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		<title>By: phoobaar</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7162</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@A is A: No. Repeatedly suggesting that any person who wishes to present themselves as decent should disassociate themselves from certain groups is coercive use of a shameful straw man fallacy at best; collectivist and mob-like at worst. And I&#039;m no cultist, I&#039;m just free-thinking enough to take wisdom where I find it, no questions asked.

@Charles N. Steele: Why does it matter what else they may or may not do? You said yourself that they provide a valuable resource; what more needs to be said? Shouldn&#039;t I, as a thinking person, read the full content of a given text and judge its value based solely on the content therein (allowing for verification of sources, naturally)? Or should I scratch my chin and question the validity of everything an organization says or does for all eternity, because of an illogical extrapolation that the stink of a few rotten eggs has fouled the whole batch?

Put another way, should Robert Byrd be allowed to show his face on the Senate floor without being booed and hissed at? (Pretend he isn&#039;t one of the greatest enemies of the taxpayer in history before you answer that.) I confess to smiling when he waves his copy of the Cato pocket Constitution during his rants. (I own one, too! And I refer to it often! Call the FBI!) That doesn&#039;t mean I agree with everything he&#039;s ever said or done, but perhaps I agree with what he&#039;s saying at that very moment -- especially if he happens to be speaking truth.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@A is A: No. Repeatedly suggesting that any person who wishes to present themselves as decent should disassociate themselves from certain groups is coercive use of a shameful straw man fallacy at best; collectivist and mob-like at worst. And I&#8217;m no cultist, I&#8217;m just free-thinking enough to take wisdom where I find it, no questions asked.</p>
<p>@Charles N. Steele: Why does it matter what else they may or may not do? You said yourself that they provide a valuable resource; what more needs to be said? Shouldn&#8217;t I, as a thinking person, read the full content of a given text and judge its value based solely on the content therein (allowing for verification of sources, naturally)? Or should I scratch my chin and question the validity of everything an organization says or does for all eternity, because of an illogical extrapolation that the stink of a few rotten eggs has fouled the whole batch?</p>
<p>Put another way, should Robert Byrd be allowed to show his face on the Senate floor without being booed and hissed at? (Pretend he isn&#8217;t one of the greatest enemies of the taxpayer in history before you answer that.) I confess to smiling when he waves his copy of the Cato pocket Constitution during his rants. (I own one, too! And I refer to it often! Call the FBI!) That doesn&#8217;t mean I agree with everything he&#8217;s ever said or done, but perhaps I agree with what he&#8217;s saying at that very moment &#8212; especially if he happens to be speaking truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles N. Steele</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7161</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles N. Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>phoobaar: If I understand what you&#039;re saying, you&#039;ve missed the point.  This isn&#039;t an attack on the mises.org website, for pete&#039;s sakes.  It includes many very nice classic texts.  If that&#039;s all they did, I&#039;d love them.

It&#039;s LvMI&#039;s *systematic* misrepresentation of people and ideas they don&#039;t like, their own incompetent economic and political analyses, and their *systematic* support for things anti-libertarian that arouses so much ire.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>phoobaar: If I understand what you&#8217;re saying, you&#8217;ve missed the point.  This isn&#8217;t an attack on the mises.org website, for pete&#8217;s sakes.  It includes many very nice classic texts.  If that&#8217;s all they did, I&#8217;d love them.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s LvMI&#8217;s *systematic* misrepresentation of people and ideas they don&#8217;t like, their own incompetent economic and political analyses, and their *systematic* support for things anti-libertarian that arouses so much ire.</p>
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		<title>By: A is A</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7160</link>
		<dc:creator>A is A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Free association is now &quot;collectivist, mob-like behavior&quot;?

L. Ron Rothbard and Lyndon LaRockwell have done a textbook job of cult-building.
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<p>L. Ron Rothbard and Lyndon LaRockwell have done a textbook job of cult-building.</p>
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		<title>By: phoobaar</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7159</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It saddens me when people suggest that entire resources should be rejected because of the words of a minority that organization&#039;s membership. Ironically, this is precisely the line of thinking that leads some people to develop racist tendencies: because of a few bad eggs, they assume the entire basket is spoiled. The problem with this when applied to, say, a web site, is that you will eventually paint yourself into a corner, as your sense of indignity forces you to abandon site after site, until you&#039;ve relegated yourself to a few echo chambers with others who are exactly like you. In other words: you become an Internet segregationist, as ridiculous as that sounds.

I&#039;m relatively new to libertarianism and to political thinking in general. I value lewrockwell.com and mises.org as valuable resources that have expanded my understanding of individual rights, and the fact that true freedom includes economic freedom. I have none of the formal education or social status that many of you seem to enjoy, but I love to learn, and the Internet is my method of self-education. But now I see people vowing to disassociate themselves from these resources, and even suggesting that the rest of us follow suit or else forfeit our claim to decency? I&#039;m sorry, but I must reject that as unsound logic.

Would Socrates reject an entire library because of a few unsound books by a few nonobjective writers? No, logic would tell him to analyze each book in that library based on its own merits. If a piece of writing is based solely on illogical, arbitrary hate, then it may be safely rejected. But what of the next piece? What if it is logically sound? Should I shoot the messenger before receiving his message? I think not. Perhaps I am in the minority there. If so, I find that terribly tragic.

Those of you who are calling for the rejection or these resources, either directly or allusively, are behaving illogically. You are engaging in collectivist, mob-like behavior. You differ from racists only in the severity of your goals and rhetoric. Feel free to paint yourselves into a corner, but don&#039;t expect thinking people to join you, and don&#039;t expect us to accept whatever labels you extend onto us by whatever indirect associations we may have with objectionable individuals.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It saddens me when people suggest that entire resources should be rejected because of the words of a minority that organization&#8217;s membership. Ironically, this is precisely the line of thinking that leads some people to develop racist tendencies: because of a few bad eggs, they assume the entire basket is spoiled. The problem with this when applied to, say, a web site, is that you will eventually paint yourself into a corner, as your sense of indignity forces you to abandon site after site, until you&#8217;ve relegated yourself to a few echo chambers with others who are exactly like you. In other words: you become an Internet segregationist, as ridiculous as that sounds.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m relatively new to libertarianism and to political thinking in general. I value lewrockwell.com and mises.org as valuable resources that have expanded my understanding of individual rights, and the fact that true freedom includes economic freedom. I have none of the formal education or social status that many of you seem to enjoy, but I love to learn, and the Internet is my method of self-education. But now I see people vowing to disassociate themselves from these resources, and even suggesting that the rest of us follow suit or else forfeit our claim to decency? I&#8217;m sorry, but I must reject that as unsound logic.</p>
<p>Would Socrates reject an entire library because of a few unsound books by a few nonobjective writers? No, logic would tell him to analyze each book in that library based on its own merits. If a piece of writing is based solely on illogical, arbitrary hate, then it may be safely rejected. But what of the next piece? What if it is logically sound? Should I shoot the messenger before receiving his message? I think not. Perhaps I am in the minority there. If so, I find that terribly tragic.</p>
<p>Those of you who are calling for the rejection or these resources, either directly or allusively, are behaving illogically. You are engaging in collectivist, mob-like behavior. You differ from racists only in the severity of your goals and rhetoric. Feel free to paint yourselves into a corner, but don&#8217;t expect thinking people to join you, and don&#8217;t expect us to accept whatever labels you extend onto us by whatever indirect associations we may have with objectionable individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles N. Steele</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7158</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles N. Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anyone interested, on my own blog I&#039;ve posted a note on some of the extremely silly economic analyses done by LvMI.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anyone interested, on my own blog I&#8217;ve posted a note on some of the extremely silly economic analyses done by LvMI.</p>
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		<title>By: Not News</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7157</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This crap&#039;s been out there for some time, as the Daily Kos shows.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740&lt;/a&gt;

If it was some kind of a conspiratorial hit, it would have been done earlier, to get the smart people to back away earlier.  I wish I&#039;d known.

But we found out anyway.  I&#039;m kinda busted up about this, because I was really into Ron&#039;s campaign and couldn&#039;t figure out why some of the people I admire weren&#039;t.  For now, I think I&#039;ll vote for Ron in California, but I&#039;ve been really embarrassed with my friends and family.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This crap&#8217;s been out there for some time, as the Daily Kos shows.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740</a></p>
<p>If it was some kind of a conspiratorial hit, it would have been done earlier, to get the smart people to back away earlier.  I wish I&#8217;d known.</p>
<p>But we found out anyway.  I&#8217;m kinda busted up about this, because I was really into Ron&#8217;s campaign and couldn&#8217;t figure out why some of the people I admire weren&#8217;t.  For now, I think I&#8217;ll vote for Ron in California, but I&#8217;ve been really embarrassed with my friends and family.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M, you&#039;re clearly trying to confuse the issue.  As Tom has demonstrated time and again, Lew Rockwell promotes racism.  It&#039;s not about whether Rockwell wrote for a magazine that someone else wrote for.  Can you defend what was in those Ron Paul newsletters, or not?  Do you agree with the statements in those newsletters, or not?  And if not, do you want to know who wrote them?  Who promotes that kind of thinking?  You know the answer as well as everyone else here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M, you&#8217;re clearly trying to confuse the issue.  As Tom has demonstrated time and again, Lew Rockwell promotes racism.  It&#8217;s not about whether Rockwell wrote for a magazine that someone else wrote for.  Can you defend what was in those Ron Paul newsletters, or not?  Do you agree with the statements in those newsletters, or not?  And if not, do you want to know who wrote them?  Who promotes that kind of thinking?  You know the answer as well as everyone else here.</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7155</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Lew Rockwell has done articles for American Conservative too.

But Palmer was also blasting folks like Taki (co-founder of American Conservative) and Sam Francis and Paul Gottfried (both contributors to AC). I&#039;m guessing he thinks libertarians should not associate with them too as they are &#039;racist&#039;. Yet, as anybody who reads AC knows, CATO writers (not Palmer mind)  are frequently in that magazine.


I noticed you defended Palmer for writing in National Review. Yet surely Palmer, who is a lot older than I am, knows that it is common knowledge that NR used to fling abuse at Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement very liberally.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Lew Rockwell has done articles for American Conservative too.</p>
<p>But Palmer was also blasting folks like Taki (co-founder of American Conservative) and Sam Francis and Paul Gottfried (both contributors to AC). I&#8217;m guessing he thinks libertarians should not associate with them too as they are &#8216;racist&#8217;. Yet, as anybody who reads AC knows, CATO writers (not Palmer mind)  are frequently in that magazine.</p>
<p>I noticed you defended Palmer for writing in National Review. Yet surely Palmer, who is a lot older than I am, knows that it is common knowledge that NR used to fling abuse at Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement very liberally.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How thick can someone be?  Lew Rockwell didn&#039;t write in a magazine that published objectionable things by other writers.  HE WROTE racist smears.  HE PROMOTES racism.  Ron Paul&#039;s name APPEARED AS THE AUTHOR of wicked racist smears.

Other people should disassociate themselves from racists, i.e., Lew Rockwell.

What is so difficult to understand about that?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How thick can someone be?  Lew Rockwell didn&#8217;t write in a magazine that published objectionable things by other writers.  HE WROTE racist smears.  HE PROMOTES racism.  Ron Paul&#8217;s name APPEARED AS THE AUTHOR of wicked racist smears.</p>
<p>Other people should disassociate themselves from racists, i.e., Lew Rockwell.</p>
<p>What is so difficult to understand about that?</p>
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		<title>By: M</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen articles by CATO people regularly in The American Conservative and Chronicles, both paleocon magazines. Rather good articles too. I do hope Palmer isn&#039;t planning to have those fine writers purged from CATO for associating with those wicked paleos!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen articles by CATO people regularly in The American Conservative and Chronicles, both paleocon magazines. Rather good articles too. I do hope Palmer isn&#8217;t planning to have those fine writers purged from CATO for associating with those wicked paleos!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the Thought Police can see the difference or they wouldn&#039;t keep up with one lame tu quoque diversion after the next.  Expecting any other kind of response at this point is probably whistling Dixie.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the Thought Police can see the difference or they wouldn&#8217;t keep up with one lame tu quoque diversion after the next.  Expecting any other kind of response at this point is probably whistling Dixie.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to his CV Palmer has also published with the New York Times, the Washington Post, some Arab papers, Reason, the Freeman, Slate, the Los Angeles Times, the Spectator, Liberty, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the San Jose Mercury News, and loads of other publications, National Review among them.  No rational person would think that he endorses whatever appears in those journals.  But its not about what other people wrote, but about what he wrote, and he didn&#039;t write racist rants.  It seems clear enough that Lew Rockwell did and put someone else&#039;s name (Ron Paul&#039;s) on it. I suspect that even &#039;Thought Police&#039; can see the difference.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to his CV Palmer has also published with the New York Times, the Washington Post, some Arab papers, Reason, the Freeman, Slate, the Los Angeles Times, the Spectator, Liberty, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the San Jose Mercury News, and loads of other publications, National Review among them.  No rational person would think that he endorses whatever appears in those journals.  But its not about what other people wrote, but about what he wrote, and he didn&#8217;t write racist rants.  It seems clear enough that Lew Rockwell did and put someone else&#8217;s name (Ron Paul&#8217;s) on it. I suspect that even &#8216;Thought Police&#8217; can see the difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riggenshlock&#039;s paranoia is showing, as I posted to this comments thread before he did.  If anything, he follows me around the net, just to apply his double-standard to me--by which his Republican pals like Raimondo &amp; Garris get exempted from the vitriol he heaps upon all others associated with Republicans.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riggenshlock&#8217;s paranoia is showing, as I posted to this comments thread before he did.  If anything, he follows me around the net, just to apply his double-standard to me&#8211;by which his Republican pals like Raimondo &#038; Garris get exempted from the vitriol he heaps upon all others associated with Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Thought Police</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7149</link>
		<dc:creator>Thought Police</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if libertarianism is going to turn into a game of thought police about guilt by association,  when are people like Tom Palmer going to disassociate themselves from publications like National Review?  This publication has consistently called for the murder of untold millions, not to mention a serious discussion about nuking of all places, Mecca.  Also, Kathryn Jean Lopez the other day sought to exlude McCain from their version of conservatism, because McCain doesn&#039;t support waterboarding [the one thing McCain gets right].  Meanwhile, a multitude of Cato authors have continually published pieces in National Review, including Tom Palmer.

So I guess the company that Palmer and such folks keep shows their association with advocates of mass murder, anti-Muslim bigots, and torturers.  So when, out of PC purity, is Tom Palmer going to condemn anathema, any and all publication with National Review?  Oh, that&#039;s right, my Harrison Bergeron handicap is telling me that mass murder and torture are politically correct.  Carry on.

I love good hypocrisy.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if libertarianism is going to turn into a game of thought police about guilt by association,  when are people like Tom Palmer going to disassociate themselves from publications like National Review?  This publication has consistently called for the murder of untold millions, not to mention a serious discussion about nuking of all places, Mecca.  Also, Kathryn Jean Lopez the other day sought to exlude McCain from their version of conservatism, because McCain doesn&#8217;t support waterboarding [the one thing McCain gets right].  Meanwhile, a multitude of Cato authors have continually published pieces in National Review, including Tom Palmer.</p>
<p>So I guess the company that Palmer and such folks keep shows their association with advocates of mass murder, anti-Muslim bigots, and torturers.  So when, out of PC purity, is Tom Palmer going to condemn anathema, any and all publication with National Review?  Oh, that&#8217;s right, my Harrison Bergeron handicap is telling me that mass murder and torture are politically correct.  Carry on.</p>
<p>I love good hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles N. Steele</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7148</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just noticed one of my friends is listed as a LvMI andjunct faculty member, a guy who has denounced them publicly.  I also noticed that Peter Boettke has been delisted as a member; I expect my friend is going to ask for a similar honor.




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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed one of my friends is listed as a LvMI andjunct faculty member, a guy who has denounced them publicly.  I also noticed that Peter Boettke has been delisted as a member; I expect my friend is going to ask for a similar honor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Riggenbach</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2008/01/09/just-in-case/comment-page-2/#comment-7147</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh.  In case anybody else hasn&#039;t noticed, a malignant little piece of shit named &quot;Tim Starr&quot; has attached itself to this board, whining and sniveling about issues (if you want to dignify them by calling them that) which have nothing whatever to do with the topic under consideration in this thread and nothing whatever to do with anything that&#039;s discussed here.  It (&quot;Tim Starr&quot;) follows me around the internet, making a pest of itself wherever I go, making asinine, unsubstantiated, and self-evidently ridiculous claims.  For example, the fact that its sainted grandfathers were in fact hired by the State to kill people has nothing whatever to do with the concept of &quot;guilt by association,&quot; but it &quot;Tim Starr&quot;) is far too stupid to grasp this elementary fact.

JR
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh.  In case anybody else hasn&#8217;t noticed, a malignant little piece of shit named &#8220;Tim Starr&#8221; has attached itself to this board, whining and sniveling about issues (if you want to dignify them by calling them that) which have nothing whatever to do with the topic under consideration in this thread and nothing whatever to do with anything that&#8217;s discussed here.  It (&#8220;Tim Starr&#8221;) follows me around the internet, making a pest of itself wherever I go, making asinine, unsubstantiated, and self-evidently ridiculous claims.  For example, the fact that its sainted grandfathers were in fact hired by the State to kill people has nothing whatever to do with the concept of &#8220;guilt by association,&#8221; but it &#8220;Tim Starr&#8221;) is far too stupid to grasp this elementary fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Horwitz</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on some email traffic I&#039;ve seen from friends, I think the &quot;misesadjunct&quot; letter is having some impact.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if some prominent folks who are listed as &quot;adjunct faculty&quot; do indeed ask to have their names removed.  Whether or not it happens, or how quickly, remains to be seen.

And Tom is quite right about how people got listed there:  pretty much if you ever did anything with the Institute, you were listed as an adjunct scholar.  I remain proud to say I&#039;ve never appeared on that list.

The evidence of racism etc on the part of MI-associated folks, both in writing and in person, is quite clear.  I&#039;ve seen it myself.  The fact that people associated with the Institute deny it, either:

a. is a lie

b. indicates they have a different definition of racism than most people

c. or they are willfully blind to the sentiments of people they presumably respect along other dimensions

or some combination thereof.

My own belief is b.  People I consider to be racists might honestly say they aren&#039;t because they have a different definition of racism than I do.  My experience in online &quot;discussions&quot; with a couple of prominent MI folks suggest that&#039;s precisely what is going on.   It&#039;s clever because they aren&#039;t lying when they say either they or others aren&#039;t racists.  It takes some work to get at what they think constitutes &quot;racism&quot; to realize what&#039;s going on.

In any case, I strongly second Tom&#039;s call for libertarians who are rightly troubled by the newsletters and the MI more generally to disassociate themselves with the paleo crowd.

After all, they are the ones constantly defending the idea of &quot;freedom of association.&quot;  I suggest we take them up on the principle and decide that we&#039;d rather not associate with them.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on some email traffic I&#8217;ve seen from friends, I think the &#8220;misesadjunct&#8221; letter is having some impact.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if some prominent folks who are listed as &#8220;adjunct faculty&#8221; do indeed ask to have their names removed.  Whether or not it happens, or how quickly, remains to be seen.</p>
<p>And Tom is quite right about how people got listed there:  pretty much if you ever did anything with the Institute, you were listed as an adjunct scholar.  I remain proud to say I&#8217;ve never appeared on that list.</p>
<p>The evidence of racism etc on the part of MI-associated folks, both in writing and in person, is quite clear.  I&#8217;ve seen it myself.  The fact that people associated with the Institute deny it, either:</p>
<p>a. is a lie</p>
<p>b. indicates they have a different definition of racism than most people</p>
<p>c. or they are willfully blind to the sentiments of people they presumably respect along other dimensions</p>
<p>or some combination thereof.</p>
<p>My own belief is b.  People I consider to be racists might honestly say they aren&#8217;t because they have a different definition of racism than I do.  My experience in online &#8220;discussions&#8221; with a couple of prominent MI folks suggest that&#8217;s precisely what is going on.   It&#8217;s clever because they aren&#8217;t lying when they say either they or others aren&#8217;t racists.  It takes some work to get at what they think constitutes &#8220;racism&#8221; to realize what&#8217;s going on.</p>
<p>In any case, I strongly second Tom&#8217;s call for libertarians who are rightly troubled by the newsletters and the MI more generally to disassociate themselves with the paleo crowd.</p>
<p>After all, they are the ones constantly defending the idea of &#8220;freedom of association.&#8221;  I suggest we take them up on the principle and decide that we&#8217;d rather not associate with them.</p>
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