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	<title>Comments on: Now We Know What Real Humor Is&#8230;.Or at Least Real Jokes</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Bock</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2010/02/04/now-we-know-what-real-humor-is-or-at-least-real-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-19474</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Bock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And here we thought the witless right had a monopoly on mindless French-bashing.</description>
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		<title>By: Chait-o-mania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chait-o-mania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chait cracking himself up over a really childish skit was priceless.</description>
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		<title>By: Nathalie I. VOGEL</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2010/02/04/now-we-know-what-real-humor-is-or-at-least-real-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-19444</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathalie I. VOGEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Tom.  Dr Steele and I have a deal: He teaches me economics and I teach him French humor. While I am clearly making progress, he ...well... 
Seriously now, Véronique is a fine economist and the nicest gift of France to the US after the Statue of Liberty.
NV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Tom.  Dr Steele and I have a deal: He teaches me economics and I teach him French humor. While I am clearly making progress, he &#8230;well&#8230;<br />
Seriously now, Véronique is a fine economist and the nicest gift of France to the US after the Statue of Liberty.<br />
NV</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is too funny!  It is!  It is!  Yglesias even said so over at CafeHayek,
&quot;Are you guys really this clueless? You really don&#039;t get the joke we were making? I find that very hard to believe.&quot;
http://cafehayek.com/2010/02/any-principle-here.html
And it was funny.  It was.  It was.  Like Chait&#039;s puppet show.  We&#039;re funny.  We are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is too funny!  It is!  It is!  Yglesias even said so over at CafeHayek,<br />
&#8220;Are you guys really this clueless? You really don&#8217;t get the joke we were making? I find that very hard to believe.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://cafehayek.com/2010/02/any-principle-here.html" rel="nofollow">http://cafehayek.com/2010/02/any-principle-here.html</a><br />
And it was funny.  It was.  It was.  Like Chait&#8217;s puppet show.  We&#8217;re funny.  We are.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen Litsinger</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2010/02/04/now-we-know-what-real-humor-is-or-at-least-real-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-19433</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen Litsinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love having the opportunity to counter criticism from the Left, even if I don&#039;t happen to love Cato, which is much too inside-the-Beltway pussy-libertarian for my taste.   I had to do some hasty research regarding La  de Rugy before I wrote this (a friend asked me to contribute), and I listened to her expound on such radical ideas as &quot;tax competition&quot;.   My opinion is that the only legitimate competition vis taxes is let&#039;s allow just one nation to go without coercive taxes entirely, and we&#039;ll see which taxed jurisdiction can compete.  Like, none.

But she&#039;s easy to like, and for precisely the reasons that the left-wing crowd bashes her.    Let&#039;s start with her name:  Veronique is one of the most lovely, feminine names in any language; it rolls off the tongue and pleasures the mind, enticing the imagination with exotic boudoir visions.   Compare it to the klutzy Anglocised &quot;Veronica&quot; -- noise vs. music.  

France itself is a mixed bag, like all countries infected with the socialist disorder that never sank all the way into communism.   But, it&#039;s still a bastion of culture, if not freedom.  Let&#039;s hope that its own patriots will rescue her.

As for her Americanism, Veronique is one of us as much as any other immigrant can claim to be:  she came here for freedom and the opportunity to prosper in the last stronghold of capitalism.   We need all the capitalists we can get, so, welcome, dear Veronique.   The fact that she&#039;s at least a partial libertarian makes the welcome all the more sincere.

As for Chait and Yglesias, if they&#039;re the best and brightest and funniest that the Left can offer, all I can say is we need an American Idol program for comedians, so we can watch the libertarians walk away with all the prizes. 

Warmest regards,
The Kosmik Kid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love having the opportunity to counter criticism from the Left, even if I don&#8217;t happen to love Cato, which is much too inside-the-Beltway pussy-libertarian for my taste.   I had to do some hasty research regarding La  de Rugy before I wrote this (a friend asked me to contribute), and I listened to her expound on such radical ideas as &#8220;tax competition&#8221;.   My opinion is that the only legitimate competition vis taxes is let&#8217;s allow just one nation to go without coercive taxes entirely, and we&#8217;ll see which taxed jurisdiction can compete.  Like, none.</p>
<p>But she&#8217;s easy to like, and for precisely the reasons that the left-wing crowd bashes her.    Let&#8217;s start with her name:  Veronique is one of the most lovely, feminine names in any language; it rolls off the tongue and pleasures the mind, enticing the imagination with exotic boudoir visions.   Compare it to the klutzy Anglocised &#8220;Veronica&#8221; &#8212; noise vs. music.  </p>
<p>France itself is a mixed bag, like all countries infected with the socialist disorder that never sank all the way into communism.   But, it&#8217;s still a bastion of culture, if not freedom.  Let&#8217;s hope that its own patriots will rescue her.</p>
<p>As for her Americanism, Veronique is one of us as much as any other immigrant can claim to be:  she came here for freedom and the opportunity to prosper in the last stronghold of capitalism.   We need all the capitalists we can get, so, welcome, dear Veronique.   The fact that she&#8217;s at least a partial libertarian makes the welcome all the more sincere.</p>
<p>As for Chait and Yglesias, if they&#8217;re the best and brightest and funniest that the Left can offer, all I can say is we need an American Idol program for comedians, so we can watch the libertarians walk away with all the prizes. </p>
<p>Warmest regards,<br />
The Kosmik Kid</p>
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		<title>By: The Wine Commonsewer</title>
		<link>http://tomgpalmer.com/2010/02/04/now-we-know-what-real-humor-is-or-at-least-real-jokes/comment-page-1/#comment-19432</link>
		<dc:creator>The Wine Commonsewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 04:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, that&#039;s the best dumb joke you&#039;ve ever made. I love it.</description>
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		<title>By: Charles N. Steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles N. Steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The important  lesson regarding Chait and Yglesias is that the Fever Swamp is much broader than originally supposed.  Well, keep up the good work of draining it!

(Don&#039;t listen to Nathalie, Tom.  I&#039;ve already obtained her surrender on the issue of the French, and am now converting her into an economist.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The important  lesson regarding Chait and Yglesias is that the Fever Swamp is much broader than originally supposed.  Well, keep up the good work of draining it!</p>
<p>(Don&#8217;t listen to Nathalie, Tom.  I&#8217;ve already obtained her surrender on the issue of the French, and am now converting her into an economist.)</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kalles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Kalles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless it&#039;s Julio singing a duet with Willie, there is no good reason to listen to Yglesias.</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Pottorff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pottorff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While &quot;the French&quot; are often fodder for late night talk show joke writers, for the joke to be effective the wit of the metphor and the fancy of the punster must strike a resonant note with the audience. Fortunately for the writers, there is an ample supply of French bureaucrats whose words and actions have supplied the requisite objective correlatives.

But, there are cases where this doesn&#039;t work, where nationalistic sentiments become subordinate to reality. The works of Bastiat and de Tocqueville--two French guys--pretty much nailed the portrait, and, any attack on them, in general, would have bystanders asking &quot;why?&quot; While an attack on them because they were French would be derided as a bigoted assault, with no merit.  Enter Veronique de Rugy who also has grasp of the big picture, and, it is somehow deemed acceptable to pan her review because she is French and woman?  The &quot;race card&quot; is only played when the player has nothing else to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While &#8220;the French&#8221; are often fodder for late night talk show joke writers, for the joke to be effective the wit of the metphor and the fancy of the punster must strike a resonant note with the audience. Fortunately for the writers, there is an ample supply of French bureaucrats whose words and actions have supplied the requisite objective correlatives.</p>
<p>But, there are cases where this doesn&#8217;t work, where nationalistic sentiments become subordinate to reality. The works of Bastiat and de Tocqueville&#8211;two French guys&#8211;pretty much nailed the portrait, and, any attack on them, in general, would have bystanders asking &#8220;why?&#8221; While an attack on them because they were French would be derided as a bigoted assault, with no merit.  Enter Veronique de Rugy who also has grasp of the big picture, and, it is somehow deemed acceptable to pan her review because she is French and woman?  The &#8220;race card&#8221; is only played when the player has nothing else to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Cavanaugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Cavanaugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 01:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So when the Republicans are in power,  Republican bloggers attack the French.

When the Democrats are in power, Democrat bloggers attack the French. 

They were right about Jerry Lewis; maybe the French are right about everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So when the Republicans are in power,  Republican bloggers attack the French.</p>
<p>When the Democrats are in power, Democrat bloggers attack the French. </p>
<p>They were right about Jerry Lewis; maybe the French are right about everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Procrastination and Julian Simon &#124; Scarcity and Inequality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Procrastination and Julian Simon &#124; Scarcity and Inequality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I&#8217;ve been distracting myself by reading things like Steve Horwitz vs. J. Bradford De Long, Tom Palmer vs. Johnathan Chait, and trying to keep up with Scott Sumner, who with this post single-handedly brought me back from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Aeon J. Skoble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aeon J. Skoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read every issue of TNR since Fall of 1984, but I have to say Chait has worked very hard these last six months or so to drive me away.  Way to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read every issue of TNR since Fall of 1984, but I have to say Chait has worked very hard these last six months or so to drive me away.  Way to go!</p>
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		<title>By: David R. Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David R. Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely said, Tom.  I&#039;ve always admired Veronique for coming to this country and being willing to speak out so passionately to people in her adopted country. A fellow immigrant, eh?

Nativism is the last resort of the person who&#039;s run out of arguments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely said, Tom.  I&#8217;ve always admired Veronique for coming to this country and being willing to speak out so passionately to people in her adopted country. A fellow immigrant, eh?</p>
<p>Nativism is the last resort of the person who&#8217;s run out of arguments.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathalie I. VOGEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathalie I. VOGEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, your francophilia, as usual, is misleading you:  These impertinent French with their La Fayette complex, always meddling into domestic American issues.  What for? Excuse my French, mais quelle peste! And who is this Tocqueville anyway lecturing the world about America? nonsense, really. Do you actually think that people with such beautifully &quot;Mayflowerish&quot; names such as these two gentlemen need to be told by a French Economist what is anti-American or not? There are too many French around, if you ask me. So, I suggest you send Véronique and this Lady Liberty back where they belong,  and everybody will be happy. After all, as Jules Renard said: l&#039;ironie est un élément du bonheur. What? he was French, too? darn.  NV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, your francophilia, as usual, is misleading you:  These impertinent French with their La Fayette complex, always meddling into domestic American issues.  What for? Excuse my French, mais quelle peste! And who is this Tocqueville anyway lecturing the world about America? nonsense, really. Do you actually think that people with such beautifully &#8220;Mayflowerish&#8221; names such as these two gentlemen need to be told by a French Economist what is anti-American or not? There are too many French around, if you ask me. So, I suggest you send Véronique and this Lady Liberty back where they belong,  and everybody will be happy. After all, as Jules Renard said: l&#8217;ironie est un élément du bonheur. What? he was French, too? darn.  NV</p>
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		<title>By: Citizen of the World !</title>
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		<dc:creator>Citizen of the World !</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wawww what an exemple of tolerance and recpect ! Congrats maurice ! 
Libertarian are just the synonym of liberty , and the difference between us is your sentence ... we can debate and exchange in respect ! But you kind of totalitarian you can do it it&#039;s too difficult for you, for your stupid marxist brain !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wawww what an exemple of tolerance and recpect ! Congrats maurice !<br />
Libertarian are just the synonym of liberty , and the difference between us is your sentence &#8230; we can debate and exchange in respect ! But you kind of totalitarian you can do it it&#8217;s too difficult for you, for your stupid marxist brain !</p>
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		<title>By: Maurice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maurice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And are you denying that you are in fact stupid?  Or are you too fucking dumb to know how?  Fuck all you libertarian dickwads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And are you denying that you are in fact stupid?  Or are you too fucking dumb to know how?  Fuck all you libertarian dickwads.</p>
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		<title>By: Musing on Amusing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Musing on Amusing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Tom Palmer is not amused by Jonathan Chait&#8217;s and Matt Yglesias&#8217;s efforts to be amusing a.... [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Abe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A clue to Chait&#039;s own self-image was provided early on: his laughter at his own anticipated hilarity, followed by a visible act of will, capped by,  &quot;Let&#039;s see if I can make this work.&quot;  And then failure.  Nonetheless, Chait is the equivalent of Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, and Aristophanes in his own mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A clue to Chait&#8217;s own self-image was provided early on: his laughter at his own anticipated hilarity, followed by a visible act of will, capped by,  &#8220;Let&#8217;s see if I can make this work.&#8221;  And then failure.  Nonetheless, Chait is the equivalent of Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, and Aristophanes in his own mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Aristotle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aristotle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are wrong, Mr. Palmer.  &lt;em&gt;Telling people that you are funny makes you funny.&lt;/em&gt;  I wrote that in my book on comedy.  Now, I wonder where I put that.  I had it somewhere.  Maybe those two little fellows Johnny Chait and Matty Yglesias picked it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are wrong, Mr. Palmer.  <em>Telling people that you are funny makes you funny.</em>  I wrote that in my book on comedy.  Now, I wonder where I put that.  I had it somewhere.  Maybe those two little fellows Johnny Chait and Matty Yglesias picked it up.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wine Commonsewer</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wine Commonsewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is nutty, the French Chick is witty, engaging, and on the right side of the barricades. Not to mention she enjoys a little red wine now and again.

I&#039;m not sure I understand the hostility toward someone with a penchant for free market economics. Perhaps it&#039;s just the age old libertarian passion to attack the good because it isn&#039;t the perfect.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure I understand the hostility toward someone with a penchant for free market economics. Perhaps it&#8217;s just the age old libertarian passion to attack the good because it isn&#8217;t the perfect.</p>
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