Regardless of the merits of the specific case, I must confess I don’t see any connection between the legal age of consent and the legal status of homosexual unions.
Why should an agreement between two fully competent adults not be legally recognized*, when an agreement between an adolescent and an adult is?
*By legally recognized, I don’t even mean a government stamp of approval, but legal respect for and enforcement of mutually agreed rights and obligations, such as property ownership and inheritance, the right to visit one’s partner in a hospital room, rather than allowing blood relatives to override a relationship of choice, and so on. Why should the state discriminate among classes of persons who are entitled to enter legally binding relationships and people who are not, especially when it recognizes that the former can include relationships between adolescents and adults, but the latter category excludes relationships among fully mature adults?
“Why should an agreement between two fully competent adults not be legally recognized*, when an agreement between an adolescent and an adult is?”
I don’t really know how the second part adds strength to the first if the issue is not one of age but I understand your line of reasoning.
“By legally recognized, I don’t even mean a government stamp of approval, but legal respect for and enforcement of mutually agreed rights and obligations, such as property ownership and inheritance, the right to visit one’s partner in a hospital room, rather than allowing blood relatives to override a relationship of choice, and so on.”
All those questions should be legally respected and enforced as a matter of choice for competent adults regardless of any other factors (including, but not limited to, sexual orientation).
“Why should the state discriminate among classes of persons who are entitled to enter legally binding relationships and people who are not, especially when it recognizes that the former can include relationships between adolescents and adults, but the latter category excludes relationships among fully mature adults?”
Again: since the point is not age (as it would be if someone were arguing, for example, that a certain type of legal recognition should apply at different ages for homosexuals and heterosexuals), I don’t really think the example is particularly helpful in the case for legally recognizing relationships between homosexuals.
“By legally recognized, I don’t even mean a government stamp of approval”
I don’t see any reason to deny legal recognition of all the matters mentioned (property arrangemente, inheritance, visits, etc) at a civil level.
Let me just add as a sidenote that I think the main lesson to draw from this issue for religious conservatives is that once you allow some form of government involvement/sanctioning of religious practices, the long term damage will far surpass any short term perceived benefits.
Separating religion from the state is first of all a condition for preserving religion.
Because “it’s all about the children”…
Regardless of the merits of the specific case, I must confess I don’t see any connection between the legal age of consent and the legal status of homosexual unions.
Why should an agreement between two fully competent adults not be legally recognized*, when an agreement between an adolescent and an adult is?
*By legally recognized, I don’t even mean a government stamp of approval, but legal respect for and enforcement of mutually agreed rights and obligations, such as property ownership and inheritance, the right to visit one’s partner in a hospital room, rather than allowing blood relatives to override a relationship of choice, and so on. Why should the state discriminate among classes of persons who are entitled to enter legally binding relationships and people who are not, especially when it recognizes that the former can include relationships between adolescents and adults, but the latter category excludes relationships among fully mature adults?
“Why should an agreement between two fully competent adults not be legally recognized*, when an agreement between an adolescent and an adult is?”
I don’t really know how the second part adds strength to the first if the issue is not one of age but I understand your line of reasoning.
“By legally recognized, I don’t even mean a government stamp of approval, but legal respect for and enforcement of mutually agreed rights and obligations, such as property ownership and inheritance, the right to visit one’s partner in a hospital room, rather than allowing blood relatives to override a relationship of choice, and so on.”
All those questions should be legally respected and enforced as a matter of choice for competent adults regardless of any other factors (including, but not limited to, sexual orientation).
“Why should the state discriminate among classes of persons who are entitled to enter legally binding relationships and people who are not, especially when it recognizes that the former can include relationships between adolescents and adults, but the latter category excludes relationships among fully mature adults?”
Again: since the point is not age (as it would be if someone were arguing, for example, that a certain type of legal recognition should apply at different ages for homosexuals and heterosexuals), I don’t really think the example is particularly helpful in the case for legally recognizing relationships between homosexuals.
“By legally recognized, I don’t even mean a government stamp of approval”
I don’t see any reason to deny legal recognition of all the matters mentioned (property arrangemente, inheritance, visits, etc) at a civil level.
Let me just add as a sidenote that I think the main lesson to draw from this issue for religious conservatives is that once you allow some form of government involvement/sanctioning of religious practices, the long term damage will far surpass any short term perceived benefits.
Separating religion from the state is first of all a condition for preserving religion.
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